Really just trying to mix his loading sequences up and see which exercsies he repsonds best to and also change his program a wee bit from what he was doing previously, agreed the row variations are probabaly best for mass, I read what I think it was Mike Robertson said on T – Nation the other day, in relation to triceps training, use the movement that you can lift the most weight, ie dips and cloe grip bench press, so we will see with this young lock, BTW I would classify Bent row as a horizontal movement due to body position, cheers, I will pass your congrats onto the player will be good motivation for him as well, ash