Also for a fairly complete picture of the westside methods if you do not want to purchase the ebooks by Tate and Wendler I would go to http://www.deepsquatter.com and read through the archives under Lou Simmons and Dave Tate, there are also some very good articles from a number of gifted writers there as well, also well worth a look is the web site http://www.lifttillyadie.com with a great links section which would have to be the most comprehensive on the web, enjoy your weekend, ash