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Hi there everyone, here is the power point I presented at the ASCA national conference in Surfer’s Paradise on the weekend, I am sure there are DVD’s available of the conference for those not able to attend, cheers, ashley
Click here- ASCA national conference presentation
Ash,
Is that the training menu for the crusader on their OFF season? if not could you pls, give me some weight programme for my team, Off season/preseason and inseason,,,thank again for the presentation,,,
domo arigato,
judah
Doitashimashite Judah san, yes this is what we will be doing in a very general sense for the Crusaders this off season, each player has a more defined program but this will address th emajor areas of preparation for the players, thanks for your support, cheers, ash
Hi Ash,
I wanted to say thanks again for the great presentation and taking the time to talk to everyone over the weekend (myself included).
Just a quick question, do you have any recommendations for the weight of medicine balls? ie for throw sprint drills and also plyo or ab work done with the ball.
Would you vary based on a players strength, or is there a uniform recommendation?
Thanks,
CallumHey Callum, no thank you, it was an onhour meeting people I have been chatting to on this site and I hope you got something out of my presentation and the other speakers who were at the top of the tree as far as s & c goes, the ASCA has done a wonderful job of resurrecting this association and driving it forward, as to your Med Ball questions, yes it is based on the strength of the players and a bit of feel from me, I want them to be able to generate speed in the throw, so I would start out light and progress from there you may even have the same approach from the gym and load for 3 progressive weeks and then swirch to a different stimulus attempting to achieve the same goal, thanks again, go well, ash
Ash,
Some really outstanding fresh ideas in that document- particularly in the Repeated Speed/ Interval Training. People get sick of doing the same old “California” or “Suicide” shuttle runs and can often coast through sessions. New ideas like that can give us conditioners something to shock the system.
I tried a Beastly Circuit the other night- old wrist injury aside the PC/DL biased circuit was fairly unforgiving. How many people fall over doing the OH Squats in you training group?
I’m becoming more of a Westside convert too. The more I read the more I think Louie Simmons is inspired, but I would like to find out more about applying his principles to Olympic rather than Power Lifting.
On the use of Bands- interested in investing in a Bench Set and a Squat set. I’d be really interested in what a programme for introducing the bands into both would look like.
All the best
Yed Bawon
It would be very difficult if not impossible to apply louie simmons ‘powerlfiting’ philosophy to Olympic lifting.
If you are suggesting using a clean and jerk as a max effort exercise or something similar then this would prove dangerous due to the massive technical side of olympic lifting. However, you could use some sub-maximal power cleans or hang snatches in a dynamic effort day.
The main area I think you can take from the westside system is the need to highlight weak areas and and then strengthen them specifically through ‘special’ exercises.
Personally I think you can caught up too much with trying to tamper with already successful systems and not respecting them for what they are, for example the westside system is very good in developing strong powerlifters. A good olympic lifting is aimed at producing olympic lifters. Neither of these two groups of people are team sport athletes, and neither do they mean because they are good olympic lifters does it mean they are going to be good rugby players.
Again it is matter of finding the right recipe for the athlete or group of athletes rather than sweeping them with a ‘particular’ system.
To truly ‘grasp’ the system i suggest reading his book which can be found on his website. Here he talks about his early beginning as an olympic lifter and why his experiences in that sport drove him to powerlifting.
Hey there Yed, we have most of our guys proficient enough on lifts before they do the circuit so no fall overs yet, get a copy of Louie’s book on Westside principles, it is outstanding, go to his web site, http://www.westsidebarbell.com costs about $50 USD, he has also printed information especially in Powerlifting USA about the application of his principles to Olympic lifting, very interesting indeed, he is the king on bands so i will let him discuss the best use of bands, we introduce gradually initially doing a session with just the bar and bands and no additional loading to gte a feel for the movmeent and the speed, then we start with 40% of 1RM, we will be using a Tendo UNit this year to accurately assess the amount of addtional loading on the barbell to get the speeds we require for progress, cheers, ashley
@ashley 1061 wrote:
Hey there Yed, we have most of our guys proficient enough on lifts before they do the circuit so no fall overs yet, get a copy of Louie’s book on Westside principles, it is outstanding, go to his web site, http://www.westsidebarbell.com costs about $50 USD, he has also printed information especially in Powerlifting USA about the application of his principles to Olympic lifting, very interesting indeed, he is the king on bands so i will let him discuss the best use of bands, we introduce gradually initially doing a session with just the bar and bands and no additional loading to gte a feel for the movmeent and the speed, then we start with 40% of 1RM, we will be using a Tendo UNit this year to accurately assess the amount of addtional loading on the barbell to get the speeds we require for progress, cheers, ashley
As ever Ash, many thanks for the feedback- Louie’s book my well have to be on the Xmas list!
@bris83 1057 wrote:
It would be very difficult if not impossible to apply louie simmons ‘powerlfiting’ philosophy to Olympic lifting.
If you are suggesting using a clean and jerk as a max effort exercise or something similar then this would prove dangerous due to the massive technical side of olympic lifting. However, you could use some sub-maximal power cleans or hang snatches in a dynamic effort day.
The main area I think you can take from the westside system is the need to highlight weak areas and and then strengthen them specifically through ‘special’ exercises.
Personally I think you can caught up too much with trying to tamper with already successful systems and not respecting them for what they are, for example the westside system is very good in developing strong powerlifters. A good olympic lifting is aimed at producing olympic lifters. Neither of these two groups of people are team sport athletes, and neither do they mean because they are good olympic lifters does it mean they are going to be good rugby players.
Again it is matter of finding the right recipe for the athlete or group of athletes rather than sweeping them with a ‘particular’ system.
To truly ‘grasp’ the system i suggest reading his book which can be found on his website. Here he talks about his early beginning as an olympic lifter and why his experiences in that sport drove him to powerlifting.
Apologies Bris! Missed your comment somehow.
Agree that the Westside Method is very specialised, but I like some elements of it for Rugby Players and it can be included within programmes for exercises like the Squat and the Deadlift in pre-season without the detriment to others.
I think the use of the Westside method in Olympic Weightlifting is probably limited to the Assistance lifts in terms of Max effort and speed days- was merely looking for a potential new twist on the programmes for the assistance lifts with hope of a carry over. A good example of its application is in Joe Defranco’s “Westside for Skinny B@stards” programmes on T-Nation and indeed his own web-site.
Having done pretty much every variation on Olympic Lifting programmes over the last 15 years, I’m always interested to try something new and see how it can be of benefit to others.
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