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    onspeed
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    Has anyone done much strongman training with sprinters or similar speed athletes (low bodyfat, light frames, immense power to weight ratios, temperaments like tantrum throwing children:>>>)

    We have tried a little on the easy stuff – farmers walk, rope pull etc

    In particular any that people have felt might be a little too dangerous for fine boned sprinter physqiues?

    thanks

    #24282
    ashley
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    Have not done strongman outside of rugby and even there I am restricting it somewhat as a finishing option in a Tabata interval style or as a once a week strength endurnace circuit, in an I go you go fashion, 1 minute work 1 minute rest and then move on to the next station for about a 45 minute session after warm ups, cheers, ash

    #24283
    fergus
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    I would not see a great benefit for strongman in T&F Sprinting, but in rugby there are great opportunities for a great many variations

    #24286
    onspeed
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    Thanks Ash, Thanks Fergus

    Fergus – reasoning? movements too slow? the guys kinda like it because of its novelty and challenge – we were thinking of using it to occassionally replace a heavy weights (rather than a power or speed) session just for freshness and variety

    You think a waste of training effort?

    Cheers mate!

    #24284
    fergus
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    Yes, for a sprinter I guess in a GPP phase or such you could use possibly them for variety – but in terms of ‘means to an end’ I’m not sure what sub-max movements would give you or the sprinter.
    I’m not saying they are a waste but for a sprinter they might have a little risk involved too.
    For variety I would look to med balls and such for lower intensity ‘elastic type-work’ over the season, whereas strongman training would be a bit taxing for less neural development….

    …. again just my thoughts – there are no Irsh running sub 10’s yet so perhaps you should take it all with a pinch of salt!

    #24291
    justin
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    Hi

    i have not seen any experimental evidence but my thoughts would be that of the strongman events heavy truck-pull style sled pulls maybe useful for sprinters, particularly those who require better acceleration out of the blocks

    i assume that your athletes do a regular weight trainng program consisting of some combination of cleans, squats, fronts squats, deadlifts plus plyos

    what i would suggest is that the heavy strength/power squat/clean exercises be replaced (at some times) by heavy sled pulls over distances of 5-15 m and which take anywhere between 5-15 sec to complete the distance? i would say that such strength and lower-velocity power would be more useful than merely increasing squat strength etc

    would wlecome your thoughts on this?

    for your more enduarance sprinters, you could do these over longer distances and if strapped for resources push or pull cars as well

    Justin

    #24287
    onspeed
    Guest

    Hi Justin

    thanks for that mate

    it would be interesting to try this coming off static blocks and driving for 5 – 10 m!

    #24285
    jmc404
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    Hi
    Be careful when using blocks and sleds,
    1. the sled will hit the blocks when you start!!!
    2. can cause injury i. hamstrings
    ii lower back
    3. progress it start with rolling start, then, tripod start etc keep the wtgs low its all about explosiv starts and encouraging good technique and form.
    Always be mindful that good technique is vital in T & F.

    JMC404

    #24288
    onspeed
    Guest

    good practical points that we would take into consideration!

    thanks

    #24292
    justin
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    we had this issue when doing a research project with track sprinters

    if you do from teh blocks, you will need a much longer rope than the distance over which the sled is pulled e.g. if doing 10 m reps with a few m decelaration phase, you may need a 20 m rope to be safe

    in our strongman training we dont have a block to start from, but i am sure it will help move heavier loads initially

    Justin

    #24289
    onspeed
    Guest

    Thanks Justin

    thats useful

    did you happen to look at any form of force – speed – weight curve?

    or simply put what were you getting them to pull in terms of load ?

    thanks mate

    #24293
    justin
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    we looked at teh effect of a few loads on teh acute sprinting kinematics
    it will be published in the next issue of JSCR (i think)
    reference is
    Maulder P, Bradshaw EJ, and Keogh JWL. Kinematic alterations due to different loading schemes in early acceleration sprint performance from starting blocks. J Strength Cond Res in press.

    #24290
    onspeed
    Guest

    Thanks Justin

    will look out for your paper

    maybe once its in print you can post a pdf for us?

    cheers

    #24294
    justin
    Guest

    sure, no worries

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